Obstruction, Revisited

In this video, three FLDS women are interviewed by Larry King in April 2008 shortly after the raid.    The woman on the far right is Sally Jeffs.   Note Sally’s  response at 4:35 – 5:06

Sally says she would have her daughters wait until they are of legal age to marry and that she is not aware of any underage marriages.   Evidence shows otherwise — and two FLDS defendants, Raymond and Leroy, have been convicted of having sexually assaulted two of Sally’s daughters, Janet and LeeAnn, who married and gave birth to those men’s children while they were still children themselves.  And then there’s Sally’s daughter Pamela who also married one of Merril’s sons at age 16 and gave birth before she was legal age.

By the numbers:

August 12, 2004 – Janet Jeffs (age 16) married Raymond Merril Jessop (age 33) after having been previously married  at age 15 to Raymond’s borther Ernie Jessop (age 27)

July 27, 2006 — LeeAnn Nielson Jeffs (age 15), daughter of Sally Jeffs, married Merril Leroy Jessop (Age 32)

October 3, 2005 — Pamela Nielsen Jeffs (age 16)  married Jackson Merril Jessop (Age 20)

Brings to mind this post from TxBluesMan.

It’s sad that these women are put in the position of having to lie on national television to protect their priesthood heads.  You don’t see the men out there peddling this stuff.

UPDATE:   It should be pointed out that Merilyn (middle) is also Sally’s daughter, and they are both married to Wendell Nielsen.

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~ by FLDS TEXAS on May 16, 2010.

94 Responses to “Obstruction, Revisited”

  1. And Sally’s son, Luke Seth Jeffs married screeching Cathleen’s underage daughter, Sarah Cathleen Jessop.

    Here’s the post to her interview with Anderson Cooper where she lies through her teeth.

    Cathleen is also the one who called Merril to report Carolyn on the night she escaped from the FLDS with her children. May she roast for that alone if for nothing else.

  2. Sally’s daughter Merilyn (unibrow) is sitting beside her. They are both married to the same man, Wendell Nielsen.

  3. These people do not marry or maybe marry once, the males. They’re plain out having sex, to put it the way it is. Mothers and daughters having sex and children with the same man, then lying to the world about in on video, that is disgusting.

    Then you have sick SoB sperm donors who to this day refuse child support to their children, apparently to spite their mother/s.

    It’s a sex club to include sex with children, and more, outright crime families.

  4. Through her teeth.

  5. That last one was me.

  6. Those people, cannot bring themselves to stop lying.

  7. I would hope that some of these women are going to be charged with obstruction of justice.

  8. LeeAnn Nielson Jeffs

    Should her name be LeeAnn Jeffs Nielsen Jessop?

  9. Shades of Duh-wayne….

  10. Yes that did read like duane talking out of his sock, didn’t it.

  11. I thought that the ole liar dog deci duane had been banned from this blog. Can his trashy post be deleted?

    (Admin Edit – Done)

  12. One can only wonder at Duane’s psychiatric diagnosis.
    He carries on like a 17 year old – on a good day.

  13. Admin-Editor: Thank You!!

  14. Are more indictments likely after the dirty dozen’s trials conclude?

  15. What a legacy to their children. If you open your mouth, lie. Learn about laws so you know how to break them. Abuse women and children and one another and “gentiles”. Et cetera ad nauseum.

  16. For anyone who might be interested in carrying this conversation over to the air waves in Mohave County tomorrow: http://www.kntram.com/kntr-am-speak-out

    Mohave County Supervisor Buster Johnson will be a guest of my friend, Paul Lavoie on the show at 11:00 AM MST, which is 1:00 PM Texas time.

    Hosted by Paul LaVoie, Speak Out provides a forum for the Lake Havasu community to call in and voice their concerns, ask questions and comment on local issues. Guests come from every arena including local and state government, community and commercial programs, entertainment and health. Speak Out is dedicated to our listeners and what interests them. Dial 928-854-5687 to speak live, on the air, with the host or guests. Speak Out can also be heard on 97.1 FM or streamed on-line at http://www.kntram.com

    Since no one in Mohave County besides a few folks in Lake Havasu City and their elected representative, Buster Johnson seem to care very much about this issue there, maybe they should start hearing what those of us here in Texas and other parts of the country think about their native crime family’s move to our state from their county….

    There is virtually NO COVERAGE in the media in Mohave County of this issue.

    I guarantee you Mohave County citizens are completely unaware of any of the bad acts presented into evidence against these men so far.

    Most of them probably haven’t even heard about the convictions.

    They are clueless.

    Maybe someone should ask Supervisor Johnson about RICCO violations he claims have been taking place up there for years, while his local, state and federal government seem to be completely oblivious…

    Do you think anyone in Mohave County cares that there are children swinging like monkeys from ATVs in the streets of the county’s 4th largest city, and laws against such behavior are completely unenforced by the local cops…yet they respond to calls from the community college to harass a county employee?

    I think someone should whoop out that big list of lies on TBM’s site and start asking some tough questions about the safety of the children in Northern Mohave County.

    Just a thought anyway.

  17. Sally Jeffs is only 51?? She looks way older.

  18. Who is the lady on the far right behind Sally above?

  19. “Sally Jeffs is only 51?? She looks way older”

    Many women were the same way a hundred years ago. No contraception, make-up, or hair color, nothing else to do in life but make and raise children and obey a husband with a bad temper and no brain cells. In fact, women were lucky to survive to age 51. Many died in childbirth way before then because of a lack of medical care and doctors who were insulted when asked to wash their hands first.

  20. I believe the lady behind Sally is one of her sister-wives, but I don’t know her name. She is in a clip that is on a video on Youtube that shows Sally, Maggie, and several other women walking with a man that i assume is Leroy Jeffs; the women are younger and I do not know what year this would be. The woman in question is walking up front with Leroy; there are children between them and they are holding the children’s hands. The other women and children are walking behind them.

  21. “Many died in childbirth way before then because of a lack of medical care and doctors who were insulted when asked to wash their hands first…”

    …and no general anesthesia available for c – section deliveries….no antibiotics were available either…

  22. Lorretta was right. The pill changed everything.

  23. carolfromcarolina, you have a great memory. I don’t remember that particular YouTube video. Can you link/embed it here, please?

    IMHO that woman sitting to the back right of Sally could be her sister because they really do resemble each other a LOT. Or it could just be her sister-wife – or BOTH sister and sister-wife (that happens often)

  24. Will try to find the video. It’s been several months since I viewed this clip, and I will have to search to find it. If I am not able to find it today, I will try to do so tomorrow.

    By the way, I too thought she and Sally could possibly be sisters.

  25. This is from the video “Colorado City and the Underground Railroad, Part I”. You can view Leroy (again I assume that is him) and wives beginning at 2.14; there are only about 3 or four seconds of this. The only reason I even noticed it the first time I viewed it, was that I thought I recognized one of Sally’s girls near the front. So, I slowed it down and used my slider to go slow motion and that is when I could recognize some of the “wives”. The woman in question is wearing glasses in this clip, but I believe she is the same woman in the Larry King interview.

    Embedding had been disabled for this clip.

  26. Sally was also interviewed with two other FLDS women by Lisa Ling. You can see the interview from about 2:50 to 4:30 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeDavHYFa6g

    At around 3:40, Sally talks about the YFZ raid, saying:
    “It’s appalling to me that they would do this to a community from a phone call. That they would disrupt so many lives and say it was in the interest of the children. That is the biggest farce I have ever heard in my entire life.”

    Lisa Ling brings up the subject of ‘marriages’ between underage girls and adult men but another woman does most of the talking. Sally merely states “They have their rights.”

  27. See Sally. See Sally lie. See Sally see men go to prison. See Sally lie.

  28. Yes, you have to wonder why they would put Sally Jeffs, of all people, in the media spotlight. She acted as a midwife at YFZ so she was probably knew a lot about the underage marriages – not just the ones involving three of her own daughters.

    Sally was apparently also interviewed on Fox with “Janet” and “Rozie” but I can only find a picture of the interview, not the video:

  29. ellie, the women in that interview where you quoted Sally are Janet Jeffs Nielsen and Amy Johnson (?) Nielsen. They are all “wives” of Wendell Nielsen. Janet is the one who does most of the talking. She is a daughter of Rulon Jeffs.

  30. ellie, i think this is the interview you are looking for (Janet, Rozie and Sally):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05oKm3oEVbc&feature=related

  31. ABC did a wonderful interview back on April 14, 2008….

  32. Buncha lying pinheads.

  33. Dumast insulting doodyhats.\

    I’m not done yet but I’ll shuddup anyway.

  34. wow, unibrow crying and marie can’t answer whether or not she shares a husband with many other women. sally and unibrow avoiding answering the question as kathleen sneaks up behind the reporter. annette was also looking on in her green dress while marie was talking. no pole hugging in this clip for marie.

  35. Why is Sally with Leroy coming out of court on the Eldorado Success picture today?

  36. because she was at his hearing on the motion for new trial. she tried to convince judge walther that her daughter isn’t developmentally delayed.

  37. Did that work?

  38. don’t know yet. the judge took it under consideration.

  39. But mmmm FLDS didn’t want the judge to speak with the girl, herself eh.

  40. #

    Why is Sally with Leroy coming out of court on the Eldorado Success picture today?

    Anonymous said this on May 21, 2010 at 5:33 PM

    Not Leroy, but Abram Harker Jeffs with his attorney.

  41. I read elsewhere that Sally was trying to con the Judge that LeeAnn is not developmentally delayed.

    We know she can make babies, dust and sweep.

  42. come on Granny, do you really think the FLDS are going to produce LeAnn. They couldn’t control anything once she was on the stand. Sally on the other hand has been brainwashed for so long she’s positively brain dead.

  43. Correct ProudTexan, watch any video that Sally is in, look at her eyes, they are empty, her soul is absolutely dead.

  44. Msybe she is actually just happy?

  45. who’s happy?

  46. sally

  47. why assume all the females are depressed/brainwashed? maybe they are happy in their life

  48. After the media let these men and women outright lie on national television. Including Oprah. When are they going to admit they were lied to and tell the truth about the trials going on now and the evidence of abuse? Well maybe when Warren comes to trial and there is some name recognition.

  49. why assume the females are depressed and brainwashed ? try listening to their monotonous voices, and look at their repetitive blinking for a while.
    that is how someone acts when they are brainwashed and lying.

  50. the women don’t know anything except to be subservant slaves. they have never known anything else. i truly think if they knew different they wouldn’t choose to stay, but they are so brainwashed that they will be damned to hell if they leave and would have to leave their children behind, that’s why they stay, not because they are happy.

  51. and i have never seen sally look anything but miserable.

  52. Why assume the females are depressed ?

    I would suggest that you read Carolyn Jessop’s recent book, Triumph.
    In it, she comments that many of the women she knew were on antidepressants, and “there was almost an investigation” regarding this very issue in the FLDS community.

    I would like to know who proposed the investigation, and who thwarted the attempted investigation.

    In Carolyn’s book, Escape, she estimates that 33% of the polygamously married women in the Short Creek community were on antidepressants.
    That is a figure which is about 6X higher than one observes in the general population.

    Please note that researchers who have lived in the polygamous communities in the Intermountain West and Mexico have previously requested permission to perform anonymous surveys/psychometric testing on marital satisfaction and depression, anxiety, and mood disorders in those communities, and they were refused the right to administer such anonymous surveys by the hierarchy.

    I would suspect that the leadership of the polygamous communities know full well what the results of such anonymous psychometric testing would be, and they never want that data to see the light of day.

    It should also be noted that every study which has been performed to date in Moslem countries where polygyny is legal and acceptable indicates that polygamously married women have lower rates of marital satisfaction and higher rates of depression and anxiety than monogamously married women do.
    You will have to prove to me that many of these FLDS women are not depressed with a scientific, unbiased study based on anonymous computer scored psychometric testing in order for me to believe it.

    Based on the previous data, I believe that the polygamously married women in fundamentalist Mormon communities do not choose polygamy for the marital satisfaction they anticipate they will experience, they choose polygamy to achieve the salvation/glorification they anticipate they will experience by participating in the practice.

  53. Fear of Punishment on Earth and in Hell and

    here’s a big one

    Fear of the Unknown.

    If you need to flee, but you have no idea where to go and have been repeatedly told it’s dangerous outside where you are you are very unlikely to flee.

    I think it would be wise for anyone wanting to help these women and/or children to very lovingly explain to them their rights and options every chance they get, such as when they bring a child to the hospital following an underage ATV driving accident.

  54. Anon 7:30 am,

    I was under the impression that was part of what the Safety Net forums and the Utah AG’s “Primer” were attempting to accomplish.

    Is that not helping?

    I agree that fear of the unknown is a major obstacle.

  55. In all states where polygamy is practiced and underaged brides are commonly taken, there should be a non – discriminitive, mandatory program of education for ALL children in school over the age of 12 which informs them that :
    a) they have a right by law to refuse to have intercourse with anyone whom they do not want to have intercourse with, and no means no. They have a right by law to report anyone who attempts to coerce them to engage in intercourse to legal authorities.
    b) they have a right by law to decide whom they will marry, and when they wish to marry.
    c) they have a right by law to know that polygamy is illegal in all 50 states.
    This program of education should be mandatory for all pre-teenage children.

  56. But, but, but …the profit knows best who to marry, God tells him.
    I wish Texas would follow above advice and shape up home schooling.
    C-M

  57. C-M,
    If the school districts are accepting money from the State, the state could mandate such trainings.

  58. I wish Texas would follow above advice and shape up home schooling.

    Don’t be holding your breath. Homeschooling is a “third rail” for Texas legislators.

    Susan,

    Outside of passing legislation specifically directed at homeschooling, there is nothing Texas can do. Homeschoolers get no funding from the state for education so there is no carrot to hold back.

  59. Twist,
    Then such legislation on homeschooling should be passed, and there should be a standardized annual examination which includes test questions on this topic and other topics appropriate to grade level.

  60. I agree on the home schooling, but good luck getting political backing for that.

  61. Beyond political backing, I don’t know that such a requirement on homeschools in Texas would stand up in the Texas courts.

    Homeschools in Texas have the same exemptions afforded to them as do private and parochial schools.

    I doubt that the state could legally mandate such a requirement under existing case law regarding the status of homeschools and the limited legal authority the state has over them.

    For that matter, I don’t think the general voting populace in Texas would go along with the state implementing said requirements in the public schools.

    As a general rule, we Texans don’t like straight talk about sex in our schools.

  62. Reproductive Biology and Health Education are both mandatory here, as part of the state curriculum.
    There is an annual exam that must be taken and passed in order to be promoted or to graduate high school, whether or not you home school. Included in the curriculum are important topics, such as how to avoid pregnancy and contracting sexually transmitted diseases, no means no, and reporting abuse. What a shame it doesn’t work elsewhere.

  63. Well, I don’t think private and parochial schools should get a free pass either. I think there needs to be a balance between the rights of the parents to do what is best for their children and the rights of the children to be prepared to take a productive role in society. I see nothing wrong with having schools meet minimum standards and have some basic curriculum requirements.

  64. There ARE home school rules in Utah, but they are ignored. Ever since the fiasco involving polygamist John Singer 20 plus years ago, the Utah school districts were told to “back off” on enforcing the home schooling requirements. This was confirmed to me a few years ago by our county School Superintendent.

    I know for a fact that Utah is NOT going to do anything about making sure these children get a basic/rudimentary education. It drives me nuts!

    I can’t speak for Texas. Sadly, it sounds like they are as “hands off” regarding home schooling as Utah is.

    I wish things in the West were as progressive as things are in the East (as Susan mentions). Too bad that is not the case.

    It makes me wonder if this is another reason that Warren Jeffs chose to move his flock to the “Center Place” in Texas – the loose home schooling laws and the loose building codes (until he ran up against the TEQC).

  65. Susan said:
    “There is an annual exam that must be taken and passed in order to be promoted or to graduate high school”

    But what do you do when the children DON’T graduate from high school?

    As in the case of LeAnn Jeffs, this underage child bride’s “husband” thought she had enough of an education after 8th grade and should leave school and go home and tend to babies and do housekeeping.

    Where are the laws in Texas to protect these teenage girls against this kind of exploitation ?!?!?!

  66. TexasTwist, I can respect that “Texans don’t like straight talk about sex in our schools.”

    I’m not asking for mandated sex education. I’m just asking that children get the basic “3 R’s”

    That is not happening in the FLDS home schools. These children are NOT learning the rudimentary basics which every child in America is entitled to learn. And which our taxpayer (usually property tax) dollars are contributing to.

    I personally think that is a crime!

    But, I might add that they often do teach geometry well, so that boys will learn how to cut boards for framing buildings.

    The little boys might not be able to function on their own employing everyday basic life skills, but they can build trusses!

  67. I’m a homeschool mom and it annoys me when homeschoolers are put down, because homeschool students have gotten into Harvard.

    However, it’s also true that some parents have abused their homeschool freedoms to abuse their own children. While many of my fellow homeschool families would cry foul over more laws or enforcement of present laws simply because of the inconvenience, I would gladly accept them if it meant other children were kept safe. After all, I already keep careful records of my children’s education because I want them to be prepared to follow whatever course in life they choose. It may be inconvenient to have to pull them out from the cupboard, but, hey, I can live with that if it means girls like Leeann get a chance to live.

    If a family is already obeying the homeschool laws, it really is no big deal. Sure, some states do have ridiculous homeschool laws and Nazi-like enforcers, but most are reasonable and wonderful to deal with.

  68. The lax homeschool rules in TX were likely a big factor in the FLDS moving there as Anon mentioned.

    How many FLDS have gone to Harvard? Or any Ivy leaque school?

    There are 10000 of them for crying out loud, I would wager few if any women at YFZ even have their GED.

  69. I believe that education should be mandatory until age 18. Everyone should get a high school degree, nationwide.
    Stamp, there are women at YFZ who have GED and higher levels of education, they are RNs and NPs.

  70. Stamp, why do you always express the extreme in describing the YFZ crowd? No exaggeration is necessary!

  71. I tend to agree, Susan. I think there should be federal regulations for minimum education of children and that all states should have to comply. And these regulations should apply to homeschools and private schools too. Madatory, yearly testing would be a good requirement.

  72. I’d say Texas’ lack of requirements was a draw for FLDS, yes. I’ve also seen a wide spectrum of homeschool results that cause me to know there ought to be more oversight.

  73. I don’t think home schooling was even on WSJ’s radar when he picked Schliecher County. Nor do I think he was divinely inspired or worried about breaking the law.

    My guess is he was seeking isolation, no state income tax, proximity to Mexico and the right kind of rock for his temple. Being on a major drug corridor probably was an asset.

    Schooling, home or otherwise isn’t the problem with these kids. It’s access. Lack of access was clenched by CPS with the help of the elite media. It’s funny how a bunch of dumb Bubba’s with 8th grade educations were able to put the ‘oh so smart’ and progressive media in the trick bag.

  74. They expected to have no construction codes, oversight nor standards, as well, hence another reason for a locked gate. Locked gates are the rule rather than exception out there.

    The still intend to take over the county politically same as they’ve done in UT and AZ. Didn’t they think that being the county’s biggest taxpayer, that some perversion, corruption on their part meant they were owed, they’d bought and paid for rights above, greater than, others’?

  75. Well, Granny for a large part Randy Mankin put an end to that. All of Texas owes the Mankins a debt of gratitude, as I see it.

    He keeps shining the light, and the cockroaches keep runnin.

  76. As in the case of LeAnn Jeffs, this underage child bride’s “husband” thought she had enough of an education after 8th grade and should leave school and go home and tend to babies and do housekeeping.

    Where are the laws in Texas to protect these teenage girls against this kind of exploitation ?!?!?!

    Since it is documented that the young lady in question was probably pulled out of school by her “husband” while she was of school age, that particular case could have been outside of the compulsory attendance exemption afforded to school-age children in Texas who attend a private, parochial or homeschool.

    The prevailing case law in Texas regarding the exemption is Leeper vs Arlington ISD which was fully litigated up to the Supreme Court of Texas.

    Language in the Leeper decision provides that:

    “A school-age child residing in the State of Texas who is being educated in a bona fide manner by the parents, or those standing in parental authority, in or through the child’s home using a curriculum, consisting of books, workbooks, other written materials, including that which appears on an electronic screen of either a computer or video tape monitor, or any combination of the preceding from either (1) a private or parochial school which exists apart from the child’s home or (2) which has been developed or obtained from any source, said curriculum designed to meet basic education goals of reading, spelling, grammar, mathematics and a study of good citizenship, is in attendance upon a private or parochial school within the meaning of Section 25.086(a)(1) of the Texas Education Code and exempt from the requirements of compulsory attendance at a public school.”

    Leeper does clarify that school districts may make “reasonable inquiry” as to whether a school-aged child is enrolled in a private, parochial or homeschool.

    Since the Leeper decision at the Texas Supreme Court (TEA vs Leeper), TEA has been providing guidance to districts regarding school-age children who may be exempt from compulsory attendance requirements due to enrollment in private, parochial or home schools.

    Here is a copy of the TEA letter from 2007 that was provided to all of the public school districts in Texas:

    http://thsc.birddogsw.com/images/pdfs/TEAletter.pdf

    I recognize that issue can and will be taken with “in a bona fide manner” when it comes to the school at YFZ, but reading between the lines of the TEA guidance letter I get the impression that TEA is essentially telling the districts that their rights and responsibilities are limited and is suggesting that the districts to proceed carefully (and minimally) in a narrow manner if they do make “reasonable inquiry.”

    No idea if that is upon recommendation from TEA legal counsel since TEA lost the Leeper case at the Texas Supreme Court and the resulting case law limits what districts can do or not or if TEA is taking the tone I’m reading because the political/social climate is not favorable for TEA to attempt to exert more authority that still may remain undetermined by the courts.

    As far as “reasonable inquiry” goes…I suspect that a letter sent to an inquiring school district outlining an education program that meets the Leeper requirements and an assertion that a particular school-age child attends a private/parochial/homeschool would probably be deemed sufficient to satisfy the “reasonable inquiry.”

    Easy enough to pencil-whip and no way to make “reasonable inquiry” regarding any particular child if you don’t know of that child’s presence in your district.

  77. I recall how surprised they were to learn the scope of not only the population at YFZ but how many children they’d hidden back in there.

  78. TexasTwist, does that TEA vs Leeper case address a 15-year-old girl taken into an illegal plural marriage by a man in his 30’s and removed from school so she can help with the housework?

    And I have to wonder if the YFZ school has much of a curriculum in good citizenship.

    But, thanks for passing on that info.

  79. The curriculum of the YFZ wouldn’t teach Texas History, Government and Economics which I thought were required for all Texas Home School students.

  80. No, Anon 6:59, it doesn’t and that is why I said her situation would most likely place her outside of the Leeper compulsory attendance exemption.

    Being aware of that well after the fact and after she is beyond “school-age” under Texas law still doesn’t get to a place where she gets a decent education.

    I’m not aware of how the Texas courts would define a curriculum in “good citizenship,” but I can bet that it wouldn’t be anywhere near what would be most effective in teaching these young folks their rights to say “no.”

    I guess my overall point is that looking to the Texas legislators and the education standards as a means to broaden the horizons for the young folk is a very difficult path. Not impossible for the determined, but there are a number of barriers and obstacles that would need to be overcome before any legislative change would be likely to happen.

    Just a thought, but the first place I might seek allies if I were inclined to pursue that course would be among the organized homeschoolers. From what I can tell, the majority of them are genuinely interested in providing good education for their children while preserving their rights to shape the bulk of the curriculum. If a common goal can be found with them and the means to get there without infringing upon their rights, then one of the major barriers to change in Texas could be lowered significantly.

    In the meantime, the issue remains on how to empower the children with the knowledge that they have rights and that systems are in place to support them if they were to speak up and say “hey.”

    Frankly, I’m not convinced that the systems in Texas are in place that would do so — Exhibit A being CPS.

    On the upside, the relevant criminal investigative entities appear to have a pretty good eye on some things and maybe that is the best hope at the present time for outside information to seep into the world Warren has crafted for members of the FLDS.

    I don’t like to sound so negative, but I get frustrated with talk of how things “should be” rather than what they are and I don’t know that we know where things really stand right now in Texas (and elsewhere) for the young ones.

  81. PT,

    Those subjects are not required for private, parochial or home schools in Texas.

    All that is required according to the standard set by Leeper is “a curriculum that covers the basic areas of reading, spelling, grammar, math and a course in good citizenship.”

    Period.

  82. Just curious, but does anyone know if documents listing the curriculum at the YFZ school have been made public?

    I think legitimate questions can be raised as to whether it would meet the Leeper standards, but that would put the ball into the court of the Eldorado school district from what I understand and I don’t know if that is a battle they wish to fight or one that TEA wishes them to engage in.

  83. One of the obstacles to the Texas legislature mandating any specific instruction or curriculum in private, parochial or homeschools is the state constitution.

    At present, the state does not have the authority under its constitution to regulate private schools (definition per Leeper includes homeschools).

    Before any new legislation could be adopted, the voters in Texas would first have to approve a Constitutional Amendment giving the state that authority.

    Opposition to any such proposed amendment is already organized and in place.

    That’s the reality.

  84. I should post the curriculum for a NY State Regents Diploma for your review. It is mandatory for public, private, religious, and homeschoolers. I think you would be surprised at what we require.

  85. TexasTwist said:
    Just a thought, but the first place I might seek allies if I were inclined to pursue that course would be among the organized homeschoolers. From what I can tell, the majority of them are genuinely interested in providing good education for their children while preserving their rights to shape the bulk of the curriculum. If a common goal can be found with them and the means to get there without infringing upon their rights, then one of the major barriers to change in Texas could be lowered significantly.

    For what it’s worth, this strategy was tried in Utah a few years ago. Influential people actively worked with the state home schooling groups to gain their support to create required minimum standards for a curriculum, attendance requirements, state regulation and enforcement, etc.

    It was futile. The home schooling groups wanted no part of any government oversight and today there is no standardized curriculum or testing.

    The power of the home schoolers proved to be greater than the concern that some children were growing up without a proper education.

    To be fair, many home-schooled children surpass their public-schooled peers. But many don’t and fall through the cracks.

    It is hard for me to imagine that a mother with an 8th grade education can teach her own children and they will end up with much more than an 8th grade education.

  86. Thanks Twist, I thought I had read somewhere that Texas required those courses be taken by all children regardless of where they went to school.

  87. Thanks, Anon 7:12.

    I suspect that such an effort in Texas would likely end in the same result. Since it would first require in Texas a Constitutional Amendment allowing the state to regulate private/parochial/home schools, I think many of them would object because of a fear of “the camel getting its nose in the tent.”

    Without the support of the organized homeschoolers (or at a minimum without their engaged opposition), efforts in Texas to empower such students via their curriculum would likely be a dead end road as they are very well organized when it comes to exerting their influence on the legislature.

    PT,

    American/Texas History and/or government classes are often used by homeschoolers on their curriculum because those courses are the standard avenue used to satisfy the “course in good citizenship” requirement. That may be what you’ve encountered, but they do not have to have those specific courses if they can otherwise meet that requirement.

  88. Got to see this article on the Dickipedia for some laughs.

    http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Warren_Jeffs

  89. I wonder if Abram has made a run for it yet? His date with destiny is looming closer and closer.

  90. Katchalater that is funny!

    I like this phrase a lot. It really puts it all in perspective –

    “his sacred bloodline of megalomaniacal incestuous child-molesting serial-sodomizing fugitives”

  91. These are such inspiring and beautiful, clean ladies in the video, and definately am imspiration to all ladies

  92. Hmmm, nope, not inspired to hand my little girls over to be raped by a dirty old man. At all. In fact, he’d have better luck getting past a mama grizzly bear.

  93. Anin @10:15 PM, These “clean” ladies are lying like crazy. They all either have a daughter who was an under aged wife, have a sister wife who was under aged, or are otherwise involved in an under aged marriage. And yet they are saying that such things don’t exist. The courts and DNA have proven that these “clean” ladies are lying about RAPE of young girls, some as young as 12. That’s not very inspirational to me – it’s sick and cruel.

  94. Bravo has a new hit on their hands!!!!
    Find out what really goes on in the Warren Jeffs Compound. Not only do they pray and procreate, they even have a follow up show (after the commercial) with none other than Andy Cohen.

    http://www.bpmmm.com/2010/06/real-housewives-of-warren-jeffs.html

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