Shurtleff gives FLDS Last, Best chance

Mark Shurtleff gives a generous offer to the FLDS attorneys – Get serious and negotiate or get a Court Judgement.

Rodney Parker’s quick answer is of the “Answer them Nothing” ilk – guess we’ll just see it settled in Court if that’s the case.

Coulda Woulda Shoulda – The FLDS theme song for 2010

HAT TIPS – Ben Winslow, the Fox13Now News team,  and Excel-Anon

Fox13Now News report and video:

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-uep-land-fight-exclusive,0,2122699.story

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~ by FLDS TEXAS on February 3, 2010.

62 Responses to “Shurtleff gives FLDS Last, Best chance”

  1. Sounds like a right good offer. Take your best deal or be at the mercy of the court.

    Are the FLDS gamblers?

    Not with Emack. But my money says Parker is a gambler.

  2. short and to the point.

  3. Short Creek is rejected of God, so why would Warren have any concern about the municipalities other than as a teat on his cash cow?

    Too bad, so sad for the half-hearteds and other unworthies who remain in Short Creek.

  4. Shurtleff has plumb run out of patience. Git R done.

  5. About time Shurtleff grew a pair, wonder who had pull to make him suddenly do his job. Perhaps our AG Gregg Abott had a little talk with Shurtleff about doing the right thing. IMO it’s only a matter of time before the FLDS does something stupid forcing the the State of Texas to take over YFZ. Might make a nice branch campus for Angelo State.

  6. Chemist always says that following the FLDS is better than any soap opera around and Chemist is always right!

  7. “If you don’t accept my latest offer, I guess you’ll just have to do with the law.”

  8. Typo…”If you don’t accept my latest offer, I guess you’ll just have to *go* with the law.” So, is there *still* something slightly off-base?

  9. That was an odd statement by Shurtleff, cement.

    It reads as if it is an acknowledgment that the Utah AG’s office has been willing to look the other way to some extent.

    Go figure.

  10. Chemist always says that following the FLDS is better than any soap opera around and Chemist is always right!

    ………………………………..

    Where do you think the writers for “Big Love” get their ideas?

  11. http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14328816

    From a SLT article.
    “Third District Judge Denise Lindberg, who oversees the case, made a similar call in a 2007 court hearing. She urged the states to take “systematic action” to wrest control from uncooperative city officials following their refusal to approve subdivision plans. Lindberg recently sealed filings related to proposals for settling the dispute.
    Under current law, city dissolution requires a petition by 25 percent of voters and majority approval. Another option, de-annexation, requires county agreement to pick up services. “

  12. Shurtleff = weasley weasel

    Someone musta lit a match under his arse. We may never know the name, but I thank him/her.
    _____

    *side note: I recently had an event that makes me wonder how things of this scope can get so out of control.

    i.e.: a week before Christmas, I took my 13 year daughter to Wells Fargo to open a teen checking/debit account.

    You know…plastic card to swipe and all that. She’s the right age to begin learning-to-bank. Just $150.00 to see how quickly it got spent. heehee.

    Well, turns out she’s been very prudent and only spent $20, but then a few days ago I got a letter from the bank and a check for the balance of the account.

    The letter stated that due to Homeland Security protocol and the fact that we had not provided necessary information on the account, that the bank had closed it and was refunding the balance.

    Yeah….what? So we go to Wells Fargo and the gist is: the teller who filled out the paperwork put *mother* in place of my full name — even though the account was opened….wait for it…under my name.

    So ~~~ if banking (software?) can kick out an child’s debit account based on the word *mother* — why the hell can’t this UEP bull-crap be DEALT WITH? do it….clear the accounts and cut the checks. gawd. sigh.

  13. Speaking of fires under their arses, the Shurtleff letter inspired several of the media outlets to publish/produce stories on it.

    I don’t think there is much doubt that the letter ups the ante in a big way.

  14. Interesting how different the articles are.
    compare brooke adams:
    http://www.sltrib.com/Utah%20Local%20News%20-%20Salt%20Lake%20City%20News,%20Sports/ci_14328816
    to these two
    http://www.kcsg.com/news/local/83501362.html
    and
    http://www.svherald.com/content/2010/02/03/utah-ag-demands-settlement-land-trust-dispute

  15. Here’s another one, hhg. For some reason my news aggregator dropped it as a link this morning.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700006933/Shurtleff-issues-ultimatum-to-FLDS-over-trust.html?pg=1

    And yes, very different tones.

    Speaking of, the Fox 13 clip with Ben Winslow has be reedited to add some additional comments.

    Maybe just a time issue because of the additions, but Tim Bodily’s comment that things could get “ugly” is not included in the newer version.

    I loved the comment, but my first thought was a PR person would respond by saying “you actually said that?”

  16. I like this from Deseret News:

    “It is not politics,” assistant Utah attorney general Jerrold Jensen said Wednesday. “What’s prompted this is their refusal to make any movement toward settlement. All they want to do is file motion after motion with the courts.”

    Jensen said one of Shurtleff’s main concerns is the money that is being spent on attorneys’ fees. Those fees, he said, are being paid for by the same people — FLDS members are issued assessments that pay for their own attorneys, and they also face the sale of UEP Trust land to pay for Wisan’s attorneys.

    “We think it’s an abhorrent situation, and we’d like to see it settled,” Jensen said. “It’s gone on long enough. … Frankly our suspicion is they really don’t want to settle.”

  17. Does the FLDS leadership’s action in ignoring this latest letter raise the issue of Warren’s undeclared ‘Holy War’ or ‘test’ which his flock loves more ‘Celestial Law of Marriage’ or ‘Gentile’ laws? Aren’t we back to FLDS Theocracy versus American Democracy? My bet is Warren sticks to, “Answer Them Nothing” or he stands to schism his own congregation over his ‘test’.

    The other ‘Dirty Dozen’ members have to be praying fervently for them not to be tested or are fanatically prepared to martyr themselves to advance polygamy as their barbaric form of wedlock.

  18. This whole Ueptrust dilemma has nothing to do with religion, it has to do With CONTROL by a few men over the members, but the members are paying dearly for it.

  19. The 2007 Brooke Adams article on the topic of disincorporation.

  20. Link is here:

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy605.html

  21. From 2007:

    “The Utah Attorney General’s Office also has looked at removal of city officers for malfeasance but has not yet opted to go that route, he said.

    ‘We reserve the right to revisit that at any time,’ Bodily said.”

    Is it “not yet” yet?

  22. Yea, looks like they have a great case for removal of city officials and officers for malfeasance, paying personal bills and household expenses with public funds, tithing of public funds to the FLDS storehouse/church leadership, criminal discrimination against non-FLDS members, not upholding the laws of the State of Utah (but if they go with that then the entire AG’s office must be removed for not enforcing the laws against polygamy).

  23. I would think the non flds who have paid higher utiliity bills than flds members and have had essential city service denied or delayed based on their church member status could file a huge civil suit against the cities, the city politicians, the utility operators, etal.

  24. Utah State Auditor —

    http://sao.utah.gov/lgReports.html

    Online downloadable municipal financial reports, budgets, etc. for fiscal years 2001-2009.

    Neat resource.

  25. Dang it Twist you posted that because you knew I would “have” to go read it. I need a nap now, yawn! Of course Hildale has not submitted their report for 2009 that was due 6/30/09 so I looked at the 2008 Financial Report. Couple interesting things from the independent auditors report:

    *****
    07-01. Bond Covenants – Twin City Power

    During fiscal year 2008, Twin City Power failed to make the required principal and interest payments on two of its outstanding Electric Revenue Bonds, Series 1995 and Series 1997 shown in Note 6. Total prinicpal and interest past due as of June 30 , 2008 is $2,030,000 and $4,770,263 respectively. Twin City Power has not made any principal payments on the bonds listed above since fiscal year 2003 through the issuance date of the financial statements. Non-Payment constitutes default under both bond resolutions.

    07-03. Bond Reserve Accounts – Twin City Power

    As specified in the bond covenants, the 1995 Electric Bond required reserve accounts (Debt Service Reserve and Renewal and Replacement Reserve) were under funded at June 30, 2008 by a combined $308,769.

    We noted that expenditures were made out of the 1995 Electric Revenue Bond Renewal and Replacement Fund in prior years, which contributed to its under funded position.

    07-06. Financial Statement Preparation

    Statement on Auditing Standards No. 112 indicates that it may be a significant deficiency in the City’s internal controls when City personnel do not have sufficient expertise to select and apply generally accepted accounting principles.
    ******

    Hmmm, “personnel do not have sufficient expertise to select and apply generally accepted accounting principles”, what you mean that 8th grade home school edumacation ain’t gettin the job done?

  26. Also Twin City Power has not made any principal payments on the bonds since fiscal year 2003 —– now who became prophet in 2002? Do we see any correlation between the two?

  27. Well in november 2008 they supposedly voted to have the new power company take over their services. Im not sure if the members voted, or the city people, like the mayor etc

  28. forcing the the State of Texas to take over YFZ. Might make a nice branch campus for Angelo State.

    A Texan said this on February 3, 2010 at 7:21 PM

    Excuse me, but the land would be much better used for the WTF Ranch.

  29. Shurtleff’s comment about going to the Utah Legislature is to change the law so he would have authority to disincorporate Hildale much like Terry Goddard had the law changed in Arizona a few years ago to take the CCUSD (school district) into receivership.

    The Utah law does not currently allow the AG to do what what needs to be done, so he has to get the law changed.

    Good thing is that the Legislature is currently in session; it just opened a week ago.

    What timing! Maybe that is why we are seeing this letter dated Jan 26th.

  30. I would think the non flds who have paid higher utiliity bills than flds members and have had essential city service denied or delayed based on their church member status could file a huge civil suit against the cities, the city politicians, the utility operators, etal.

    chemist said this on February 4, 2010 at 10:59 AM

    chemist,
    There actually is an attorney who is interested in getting a class action lawsuit going for just the things you mentioned. If you are interested, Stamp knows how to contact me and I’ll put you in touch with this attorney. He is REALLY good!

    Excel-Anon

  31. Aren’t we back to FLDS Theocracy versus American Democracy? My bet is Warren sticks to, “Answer Them Nothing” or he stands to schism his own congregation over his ‘test’.

    caJIM said this on February 4, 2010 at 9:58 AM

    caJIM,
    I fear you may be right. Warren’s ego could become the chopping block for his faithful followers. It would be so awful for him to let this happen. What a childish little fool he is.

  32. Someone musta lit a match under his arse. We may never know the name, but I thank him/her.

    I bet it is more than just one person, but I bet Terry Goddard was one of them!

    But to give Shurtleff the benefit of the doubt, maybe he was waiting for the final OK from the LDS church.

    The Twin Cities aren’t the only theocracy here, the state of Utah is its own theocracy.

  33. Also Twin City Power has not made any principal payments on the bonds since fiscal year 2003 —– now who became prophet in 2002? Do we see any correlation between the two?

    LadySadie said this on February 4, 2010 at 12:12 PM

    LadySadie,
    Thanks for boring yourself and posting pertinent points made by the Office of the Utah State Auditor.

    This is like deja vu with what happened with the CCUSD (school district).

    I think what is also enlightening here is the year 2003 when Twin City Power stopped making any principal payments on the bonds.

    Rodney Holm was convicted of sex with an underage girl and bigamy in August 2003. After that Warren headed out.

    My bet is that the bond payments were diverted to pay for Warren’s life on the run.

    And they STILL weren’t making the required principal and interest payments at the end of 2008.

    My bet is that the bond payments were still being diverted to pay for Warren’s Arizona attorneys and Utah appeal and the attorneys fighting Wisan and the UEP reformation.

    FRAUD, FRAUD and just MORE FRAUD.

  34. “If you know any medical facility denying emergency medical care then by all means report them.”

    I didn’t see a statement along those lines. The question was, do non-FLDS have to drive all the way to St. George for medical care. You inserted “emergency” as another Strawman Argument. Why do you bother?

  35. “Shurtleff’s comment about going to the Utah Legislature is to change the law so he would have authority to disincorporate Hildale much like Terry Goddard had the law changed in Arizona a few years ago to take the CCUSD (school district) into receivership.”

    Shurtleff didn’t say anything about changing any laws. There are ALREADY laws that allow for disincorporation of a town or city for various reasons, one of which is if a court rules it so. It isn’t religious discrimination, it is upholding the articles of incorporation which EVERY town is responsible to do.

    Face it, the religious discrimination is from the FLDS towards non-FLDS, not the reverse.

  36. anon at 8:21 Feb 4. I am really pleased to learn that a civil suit is being considered. I do hope the attorney you mentioned does follow through and file a suit. Thanks for the update.

  37. Al’s comment“If you know any medical facility denying emergency medical care then by all means report them.”

    …has disappeared — does this mean Alin has been *nuked*. Not that it’d be a great loss or anything. Just curious.

    To me, it’s always seemed like Al’s comments have a tone of boredom, like Ben Stein (in Ferris Bueller)…anyone?anyone?

    or…Bill Lumbergh (Office Space) “Um yeah…, I’m gonna need you to come in on Saturday, m’kay. And we’ll need those TPS reports as well.”

    ….and on occasion, when going creepy — Hal 9000.

    Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?

    HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.

    Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.* (*read the dictations, Alin)

    HAL: I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.

    Dave Bowman: What’s the problem?

    HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.

    Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?

    HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

    Dave Bowman: I don’t know what you’re talking about, HAL.

    HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen.

    ….Perhaps…AL / HAL…got shut down (?)

  38. **correction — apparently the quote is from Open Disc. #25 and not this thread…my apologies — but still…anyone, anyone?

  39. Alin just posts snarky little comments, very seldom does any research amd often wants other people to show him the evidence. Kind of a lazy troll.

  40. I’d guess there could be enough complaints to bring a civil rights suit against FLDS crikkers.

  41. He did research and posted it on the Trib! He’s trying to prove that there’s “nothing wrong” with paying private cellphones, car payments and car insurance as an “EXPENSE” for a non profit utility holding company. It’s really ridiculous.

  42. Rebeckah,
    TexasMom is right, the comment is on the Open Discussion thread. See below:

    If you know any medical facility denying emergency medical care then by all means report them.

    Alinusara10 said this on February 4, 2010 at 1:07 PM

    And, Rebeckah, I was referring to the religious discrimination and civil rights violations of FLDS against the non-FLDS. Sorry if this wasn’t clear.

  43. I wonder if Al – in – the – USA is actually Al Holm, aka Pliggy, hiding behind a proxy server in Tennessee?
    Any thoughts?

  44. Rebeckah said:
    Shurtleff didn’t say anything about changing any laws. There are ALREADY laws that allow for disincorporation of a town or city for various reasons, one of which is if a court rules it so.

    Rebeckah, Shurtleff mentions going to the State Legislature in his letter regarding the UEP settlement and the possible disincorporation of Hildale.

    I don’t think there is currently a way to disincorporate a town without having to get a majority vote by the citizens of the town. And we know the citizens in Hildale won’t do this to themselves (unless Meile can teach them how to).

    So, if Shurtleff is going to take on this task of disincorporating Hildale, then he will need the State Legislature to create a law giving him the authority to do so.

  45. TexasMom, What a great comparison you made to Dave and Hal/Al.

    It really rings true to me. How appropriate!

  46. I wonder if Al – in – the – USA is actually Al Holm, aka Pliggy, hiding behind a proxy server in Tennessee?
    Any thoughts?

    Keeping Sweet said this on February 5, 2010 at 8:36 AM

    KS, it sounds possible to me. I have long believed that Alinusara10 was a member of the Centennial Park group, but it could be Al Holm. The names sure do coincide and he travels the country.

  47. Yeah right, If our local water company was paying those kinds of bills for for the relatives of compoany executives there would be a big uproar about it. Why should I as a customer of the water company pay for some guy’s mother’s bills??

  48. Yup, and if a politician was doing that it would end his career!

  49. Let Fred know that he is needed at the SLT comment board. LOL

  50. Nah, I don’t think A-LI-N is Al Holm, aka Pliggy, he wouldn’t be able to go this long without saying how “perfect” weenie warren is.

  51. chemist, I don’t step foot on the SLT board. YUCK.

    Someone will have to FU by proxy for me.
    Fred

  52. “I don’t think there is currently a way to disincorporate a town without having to get a majority vote by the citizens of the town.”

    Their incorporation can be dissolved or ruled “null” by a judge — at least in Arizona. I haven’t checked Utah’s laws of incorporation yet.

  53. “And, Rebeckah, I was referring to the religious discrimination and civil rights violations of FLDS against the non-FLDS. Sorry if this wasn’t clear.”

    I’m sorry I didn’t realize that. I was playing “catch up” after a couple of days off and maybe I didn’t read it very well. 🙂

  54. By the way there are Jessops in Tennessee

  55. Hmmmmmm.

  56. Yes, there is a group in Tennessee by the name of Holmsten or Holmstrom – something like that. I can’t exactly remember right now but it starts with Holms. I think they are in the Knoxville area.

  57. By the way there are Jessops in Tennessee

    Yeah, it’s funny – now everytime I run into a Jessop or a Barlow I’m going to start wondering…

  58. Their incorporation can be dissolved or ruled “null” by a judge — at least in Arizona. I haven’t checked Utah’s laws of incorporation yet.

    Rebeckah said this on February 5, 2010 at 9:39 AM

    Well, that’s good news for addressing the frauds being committed on the Colorado City side.

  59. The Barlow family name is common in Kentucky, they are mostly Southern Baptist. Do a google search on Barlow knife, popular in KY.

    IMO both Utah & Arizona would do well to dissolve both Colorado City, AZ & Hildale, UT.

  60. More Fwillies:

    Watch the video:
    http://connect2utah.com/content/fulltext/?cid=74122

  61. if i was a flds member i would burn and blow up my home and company to keep the state of utah from getting it and sell it

  62. Wow, Tom Jacobs, how violent and petty of you. Of course, if you were FLDS it wouldn’t BE your home, now would it?

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