The Latest 12-06-09

This is just a brief update on the status of things FLDS across the various arenas:

Texas – Friday was supposed to be Goldstein et al hearing on the defense motion to quash the grand jury indictments because there weren’t enough Hispanics. Goldstein asked for a continuance of his own hearing because it was supposed to snow and one of the other defense attorneys had a nail appointment or some other alleged conflict. The motion for continuance was denied. Then Goldie filed a motion to recuse judge walther for the hearing on the Hispanic motion — he knows he’ll lose, but once a motion to recuse is filed the judge cannot take any further action until the recusal is ruled on. So Monday will be the motion for recusal and the Hispanic motion. Both will be denied. The Hispanic hearing might take more than one day because Goldstein is long winded and can’t get to the point. Keate’s trial should start Tuesday or Wesnesday.

Arizona– still no trial date for Warren. I think Matt Smith is waiting for him to die. December 11 is a hearing on Pic’s motion to further harass Sam Brower and Dan Fischer. The motion has been opposed by several attorneys but the State didn’t respond at all. Might be interesting.

Carolyn Jessop has withdrawn as a witness because Matt Smith won’t keep Pic at bay. Smith has apparently not yet informed Pic because now Pic has filed a motion to take Carolyn’s deposition claiming she is being uncooperative even though she’s given him two interviews already and produced all of her contracts and financial documents.

Did I mention there’s still no trial date?

Utah– awaiting a decision on Warren’s appeal to the Utah Supreme Court.

Willie has filed a petition for extraordinary writ with the supreme court, claiming to he the “duly authorized representative” of the FLDS Church and seeking to have the trust property “returned” to the FLDS. The UEP responded. Willie’s petition will be denied.

Lyle’s and the City’s interventions were appealed all the way to the supreme court where they were denied again.

The Berry Knoll sale is pending I believe.

Rod Parker was previously disqualified from representing anyone against the UEP but the supreme court stayed the order disqualifying him. Now the supreme court lifted the stay and gave him 30 days to file the right pleading. The 30 days has expired. Maybe he got an extension.

Leroy Jeffs as executor or Rulon’s estate and the FLDS Corp (i.e. Warren Jeffs) have filed a motion to intervene, a motion to vacate the reformed trust and a motion to remove Wisan. Rod Parker’s in on this one. The claim is that tRulon was the only settlor of the trust and his intentions can somehow be gleaned from beyond the grave — the whole legal argument is flat out wrong and factually wrong as well. The other argument is that the judge should not have reformed the trust but let it terminate instead and revert to the FLDS Corp as the sole remainder beneficiary. Anyone know if Warren is still the President? These suits are going nowhere also. Likely the judge will rule they do not have standing and even if they did they’ve waived their right to participate by waiting four years after a final judgment. Next ….

More Arizona– Wisan’s criminal trial for conspiracy to commit trespass (!!) is scheduled for later this month but will likely be delayed. Rumor has it Pic is participating as the “victim” attorney. Apparently Arizona has some constitutional amendment that allows victims to participate like a party in criminal trials. So big shot Michael Piccaretta makes an appearance on a misdemeanor case in JP court for the “victim” — uh huh, nothing to see here, move along ….

Incidentally, the judge was disqualified and replaced with a non-biased judge. Isaac Wyler’s conviction is going through motions for new trial and appeals.

What did I miss?

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~ by FLDS TEXAS on December 6, 2009.

40 Responses to “The Latest 12-06-09”

  1. what a mess this all is….

  2. and how much taxpayer money is being wasted on dealing with all these futile and frivolous legal maneuverings …

  3. Aye but when nanny government tries to step in nothing much you can do about it.

  4. so the judge who convicted isaac wyler was removed for bias? you don’t say, an flds member is bias, surely it isn’t so.

    Chuckle, snort – so much for Willie trying to make the trustee look bad.

  5. No, Al, this is not the result of nanny government stepping in — it’s needless litigation by FLDS who have no solution for the problem.

  6. FLDS tried having Judge Walther recused once before, and it didn’t work then, and It won’t work now.

  7. None of this expenditure would have been necessary if the Federal Government had made it clear long ago that marriages to underage girls would not be tolerated anywhere.
    “Nanny” government should not have had to step in.
    The leadership of the FLDS should have been following standards of appropriate conduct regarding their marital arrangements.

  8. CW seems Utah wasn’t willing to enforce Federal laws where Flds were concerned

  9. Yes, neither Utah or Arizona were willing to do their due diligence in the matter of enforcing Federal law, so the expense falls to the citizens of Texas. Now it is quite an expensive mess.

  10. How annoying that “nanny government” is standing in the way of middle aged men screwing as many little girls as they can get their hands on.

  11. Mouse,
    You are one eloquent woman.

  12. Blog owner thank you for the latest up date and break down of all the trials.

  13. What did you miss?

    Geez, as if there wasn’t enough to report.

  14. Ron,
    at the rate that the trials are currently proceeding, when do you expect all the trials to be completed?

  15. One thing I know I can’t predict – courts and scheduling.

    Walther seems on a steady course to work her way through the TX defendants and seems to be trying to get one per month done, but you just never know – things happen.

  16. The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. -Adolph Hitler (Mein Kampf)

  17. “”Peace in society depends upon peace in the family.”
    — St. Augustine

  18. Thanks for a great thread. Oh, I do think you missed some issues, (as if there arent enough) but you got the major ones.

    The only other biggies are the Elissa wall action, And Steed who was put off till January, presumably after Keate and Emack are dealt with.

    Other pestering items include IRS tax liens that are a plethora in Shortcreek and Bountiful. The Canada supreme court is working up the guts to handle the polygamy issue.

    Harker farms seems like a nice plum that is for some reason off the block lately – likely not forever.

    Politics – you touched that, and the courts are confused, as the filings dont give decent standing, but yes its apparent Warren who is imprisoned is yet still crowned leader and overlord over 10000 sheople.

    There hasnt been any evidence to the contrary, and the filings by those without position is a joke.

  19. Oh and while not yet on the Docket is the Federal Fugitive Flight trial Warren will be facing as well, when Arizona is done with him.

    He wanted his day in Federal Court, looks like he will get it!

  20. Where did Warren Jeffs ask for a day in Federal court?

  21. “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. -Adolph Hitler (Mein Kampf)”

    Did Warren ask you to read Hitler too? We know he did. Apparently the FLDS got their “we love our children soooooo much” from that, eh? Of course underage marriages, young teens being abandoned or pushed away, and allowing young girls to risk death in childbirth appears to make their claim of love and treasuring a lie, but what else is new with the FLDS?

  22. Correction for vagueness in above post: We know Warren read Mein Kampf and various other works by dictators. Apparently he admired their governing style.

  23. ““”Peace in society depends upon peace in the family.”
    – St. Augustine”

    Astute observation, Catwhisperer. Without extreme environmental needs to necessitate it, Polygyny is simply an unnecessary and cruel stressor in the family makeup. Too bad the men of the FLDS won’t admit that. To bad they love the idea of being Gods of their own planets more than they love their women and children.

  24. Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 (1878), was one of the Supreme Court’s first decisions addressing the free exercise clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits Congress from making laws that infringe on the free exercise of religion. George Reynolds, a member of the Mormon religion, challenged a federal law that prohibited polygamy in the territories. He argued that his religion required him to have multiple wives and that to prohibit him from doing so was an infringement on his free exercise of religion. Chief Justice Morrison Waite, writing for the Supreme Court, held that to accept that argument would be to make religious beliefs superior to the laws of the United States and would allow any citizen to avoid compliance with the law. This case is credited with drawing a distinction between belief and action in holding that the free exercise clause protects the right of individuals to believe what they want but does not protect religious actions that conflict with the laws of the United States.

    By the way George Reynolds was Brigham Young’s secretary. And as per usual, Brigham Young as other Mormon Prophets didn’t take the fall or responsibility for their action but used a scapegoat to do it for them

  25. Rebeckah: To bad they love the idea of being Gods of their own planets more than they love their women and children.

    ………………………..

    Alinasura quotes Hitler: not surprising, since he supports the would-be dictator Warren Jeffs.

  26. Al

    “Last fall the FLDS asked the federal court to intervene in the sale.”

    ——–snip

    “FLDS members countersued in state and federal court to stop the sale,”

    SEEN HERE——-

    http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-judge-approves-sale-of-flds-land-berry-knoll,0,5314644.story

    Keep up with the class AL.

  27. Anon E Mouse, Warren STUDIED Hitler and other dictators. Apparently Al did too. It’s amazing how many people (men generally) who can find excuses for their deplorable views in the deplorable views of others. I get that Al wants to compare the US government to Hitler’s Nazi Germany but what he apparently misses is that the FLDS government is a far closer example of Hitler’s Nazi Germany. At least with the US government you have recourse through the courts and the court of public opinion. In the FLDS stalag all you have is one man’s paranoid fantasies and you and your family are split apart. It’s really sad to see so much effort put in to defend the barbaric practices of religious anarchist groups.

  28. BINGO Rebecca

    You kicked that ball between the goal posts!

  29. Could someone explain why it was wrong for Judge Walther to witness the selection of the Grand Jury?

  30. Excuse me, Hitler wanted “pure white race” he considered anyone who wasn’t pure white race as defective. Hitler wasn’t talking about ALL children being precious, but only the blonde hair blue eyed german children. Because of this, 6 million jews, blacks, gypsys and God knows what other races were murdered.

  31. I was going to say what does that have to do with Warren Jeffs but realized it doesn’t matter. If they want to try Warren Jeffs as a federal fugitive I’ll be perfectly happy either way.

  32. I get that Al wants to compare the US government to Hitler’s Nazi Germany but what he apparently misses is that the FLDS government is a far closer example of Hitler’s Nazi Germany. At least with the US government you have recourse through the courts and the court of public opinion. In the FLDS stalag all you have is one man’s paranoid fantasies and you and your family are split apart.
    =========================================================
    Interestingly enough Rebeckah I found a quote that applies:

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated. But those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences. -C.S. Lewis (English scholar and Christian apologist)

  33. “Arizona– still no trial date for Warren. I think Matt Smith is waiting for him to die”.

    Nope, just keeping him as warm and comfy as possible for as long as possible. He should have been sitting in a Utah prison this whole time but nooooo. Instead he gets a private cell in Mohave County with extra toys and playmate privileges….while they dither and thumb twiddle away, letting real witnesses be harassed and driven away from assisting in his prosecution.

    Somebody please stop me from using that obnoxious phrase, “I told you so”.

  34. “Interestingly enough Rebeckah I found a quote that applies:

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated. But those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences. -C.S. Lewis (English scholar and Christian apologist)”

    What I find interesting is that you use that quote when the misery men, women, and children are subjected to is supposed to be for THEIR own good too. Perhaps you should quote it to your FLDS buddies in your next meeting. Every point you try to make in claiming that the United States Government is oppressive or disrespectful of human rights is trumped a thousandfold by the FLDS opression and disrespect for human rights. You have NO moral high ground here. FLDS practices are horrible, evil abuses to free individuals and you know it.

  35. If we didn’t have laws Alinusara, we would have tyranny. Law equals order. The law applies to everyone Alinusara, not just the few. Hitler wasn’t about precious children, hitler was about destroying whole populations because he HATED the fact, they weren’t white. Hitler had NO conscience Alinusara, other than he thought he could rule the world. Warren Jeffs and his leadership I might add, liked the power they had over members. The liked the fact, they could kick people out, take their families and give them to other men, they liked they could chose whatever young child they wanted as a wife, and they enjoyed the dominance they had over thousands of members who they continually threatened with fear of being kicked out. Just as Hitler started with the child movement in his insanity, so did FLDS.

  36. “I’ve seen underage girls married off, marriages between relatives and families removing youths from school. There’s an element of abuse, physically and sexually, involving some members of these households that in most cases go unreported,”

    “Some men seem to be using their religion as an excuse for behavior that shouldn’t be tolerated. I’d say it’s time for all levels of government to stand up and take notice.”

    – Investigator Ron Barton, who is conducting Utah’s first statewide polygamy probe in decades.

  37. To any Huge McNuts bobbing about out there in “Ice Age” land, it looks like Blues hit this bullseye.

    BINGO

    He Passes GO

    He Collects $200

    Start the TRIAL

    —————–

    “YFZ Trial Update

    3:00 p.m. Monday, December 7, 2009

    Judge Walther remains on the bench

    Judge Barbara Walther told defense attorneys that she referred their motion to disqualify her to Judge Dean Rucker, who serves as the Presiding Judge over the Seventh Judicial District of Texas. She said that Judge Rucker notified her this morning that he would not appoint another judge to hear the motion to quash the grand jury indictments of 10 YFZ defendants.

    Judge Walther then told the courtroom that she would not be a witness for the defense or prosecution and she began the hearing on the motion to quash.

    The defense is asking that the indictments be quashed, alleging that the grand jury did not include enough Hispanic members.”

    http://www.myeldorado.net/

  38. 33.“Arizona– still no trial date for Warren. I think Matt Smith is waiting for him to die”.

    Nope, just keeping him as warm and comfy as possible for as long as possible. He should have been sitting in a Utah prison this whole time but nooooo. Instead he gets a private cell in Mohave County with extra toys and playmate privileges….while they dither and thumb twiddle away, letting real witnesses be harassed and driven away from assisting in his prosecution.

    Somebody please stop me from using that obnoxious phrase, “I told you so”.

    Boots said this on December 7, 2009 at 11:45 AM

    —————————————————————–
    Boots, I believe we are on the same side of the fence in this fracus and I don’t want you to be offended by what I have to say.

    I don’t think for one second that Matt is waiting for Warren to die and he is not letting real witnesses be driven away from assisting in his prosecution of his own volition.

    The accused have certain rights under our constitution and some of them are being exploited by Warren’s criminal defence team.

    Matt can only do the best he can with that. Sometimes his hands are legally tied and witnesses get deposed/interviewed etc. and he can’t stop it, even if he would like to.

    If this was going to be easy, anyone could have done it.

    Carolyn and others of us willing to testify who have committed huge portions of our life to seeing that justice is done did not go into this totally blind. We knew it was going to be extemely difficult, yet felt like it needed to be done, in spite of all the “Picarretta’s” Warren can dredge up to defend him.

    I believe Matt is doing the best that he can given the circumstances he is laboring under. Warren doesn’t pay Piccarreta over $1,000.00 per hour for nothing you know.

    I believe that when the going gets tough, Caroline will be there testifying in spite of Piccarreta’s threats.

    I for one am throwing my full support behind Arizona and what they are doing and of course at times it is frustrating. I would rather be frusterated from where I am though than from where Warren is.

    Let’s just see this thing through to the end.

    I.W.

  39. I would like to see some of the xflds MEN testify,, why is it, only exwomen do all the testifying??? It’s time for xflds men to come out from behind womens skirts.

  40. I don’t agree Matt Smith has done nearly enough! Carolyn has been deposed TWICE by piccaretta, enough is enough!

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