Motion to Remove Wisan

This is hilarious.   This motion to remove Wisan is filed by LeRoy Jeffs as the executor of Rulon Jeffs’ estate and the Corporation of the President of the FLDS.    LeRoy Jeffs was one of the trustees removed from the UEP for breach of fiduciary duty — I don’t think he ought to be throwing stones.    The Corporation of the President is presumably an alter ego of Warren Jeffs, who sits in jail convicted of various felonies, awaiting trial for other felonies, and was also removed as a trustee of the UEP for breach of fiduciary duty.

Nice.

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~ by FLDS TEXAS on December 2, 2009.

82 Responses to “Motion to Remove Wisan”

  1. You can’t make this carp up.

  2. Oh texastwist but they can make up and have many times! They are all delusional in flds leadership!!! LOL

  3. I hear ya, dd1.

    Wonder what they’re going to come up with next?

    Seancing Joey and Brig to get their two cents worth into the record?

  4. More blame Flora Jessop and Dan Fischer … yada, yada, yada

  5. i guess now we know why leroy was unexed. he was needed as a patsy to file this motions to pad the rod parker retirement fund.

  6. I hurt already from laughing and still can’t stop laughing

  7. Anyone think this may signal a power shift away from WSJ? Or, as Proud says just another Rodney P retirement stunt. (Good one, Proud.)

  8. Its 4th and long and they are forced to punt.

    Looks as though they will file anything just to run up the costs to the trust. Leroy’s a pawn, Rulon is dead, Warren fired Parker a long time ago but I don’t know who else could have hired Parker on behalf of the Corporation. Is Warren not President any longer? I believe he resigned in 2007, but I always assumed that was a sham.

  9. This is just getting bizarre and childish.

    This paragraph stood out to me:

    “Mr. Wisan allowed Mr. Blackmore, who like Richard Holm is a former FLDS member, to walk away with millions of dollars of similarly-situated property – property which had been purchased using community funds but titled for convenience in the name of Mr. Blackmore’s compnay.”

    Couldn’t that be said about the entire UEP Trust? It was all purchased using community funds (or funds of community members) but “for convenience” Warren Jeffs controlled (and grossly mismanaged) it.

  10. Leroy Jeffs was, also, arrested and held in the Central Arizona Detention Center for refusing to talk to the Federal Grand Jury during Warren’s flight from the FBI Ten Most Wanted list. Now he’s back trying to get Bruce Wisan dismissed? This reminds me of Oprah Winfrey’s visit to the YFZ Ranch and her portion of the show where here tour guide was none other than Seth S. Jeffs, who had a Federal conviction, $140,000 fine and on probation for harboring fugitive Warren Jeffs in his home in Colorado. Is nobody suppose to notice how Warren and the FLDS Church keeps it ‘all in the family’ when it comes to public ‘spin’ intended to so obviously veil the masked motives and hidden agenda of the Jeffs’ crime spree?

  11. I’m noticing. Now that I know who these people are, seeing the interviews and appearances right after the raid is very telling. It’s all the same hand full of families. If you changed the facts to make “churh” into “gang”, and prairie dresses into tats and headrags, no one would believe them for a minute.

  12. Warren Jeffs is definitely big pimpin

    I mean, have you seen his new house???

  13. LeRoy Jeffs also married a 14-year-old girl on 7-22-2004 in Schleicher County, Texas. I’d like to hear his answer as to “why” he committed said act. I don’t supposed Brooke can (or would attempt to) get an answer to that by going through her primary source, Big Willie.

    FLDS Texas,

    I’m also wondering if WSJ is still the president of the Corporation and if not, who is and who has the legal authority to file the motion to intervene on behalf of the corp.

    LeRoy Jeffs is the authority (as administrator) who filed on behalf of the corpse.

    Who is filing on behalf of the corp?

  14. Most of the part about Stefanie Colgrove is completely untrue.

    She is NOT a single woman, she is married – her last name is “Colgrove” because that is her HUSBAND’s last name.

    She did NOT take in “boarders”. She let people who had been kicked out live in spare bedrooms in that huge house.

    Oh, BTW, the house did NOT have 14 bedrooms. It has 19 bedrooms.

    The reason that Lorin Cooke was not given an occupancy agreement for the Pioneer Academy building is because that is the building that is supposed to be the new Mohave County PUBLIC library.

    There is already an occupancy agreement on that building for its use as a library.

    This building sits empty because the FLDS don’t want it to become a PUBLIC library. They are fighting it.

    I could go on and on about the lies in this document.

    But it will just start making my blood pressure boil even more than it already is after reading this POS document.

  15. Would this happen to be the same public library that the FLDS tried to get placed under their religious control?

    I quote from failed Shurtleff’s letter of intent for UEP settlement:
    “Any items visible from the exterior shall comply with the FLDS standards as determined by the Bishop.”

  16. I believe its very clear, FLDS leadership including warren jeffs, have washed their hands of Short Creek. The only reason they are suing is because they NEED the members still in flds in Short Creek’s money!! They will never be apart of the NEW ZION in Texas, but will used as long as possible to get money to continue builiding YFZ ranch. Anyone who is still in Short Creek, i would as of this moment not give one more penny, or one more pd of flesh, or work for this corrupt organization called FLDS.

  17. I believe its very clear, FLDS leadership including warren jeffs, have washed their hands of Short Creek.

    Yeah, but they still need the money to pay all those legal fees.

  18. Right, Ron. There’s no point in being in a pyramid scheme unless you have a base to support the top.

  19. You know how every blog (including this one) has its troll posters? I think the FLDS has troll lawyers.

    I don’t think I can bring myself to read another of these stupid pleadings. And I feel for Judge Lindberg. If she assaults one of these attorneys for filling her courtroom up with camel droppings, I’ll send her flowers.

    Maybe instead of responding, she can just start burning them in court.

  20. Is there some legal way to say “enough!”, to set a deadline for all pleadings before an action or something of the sort?

  21. well elle, i’m not sure that’s big enough for his 87+ wives and who knows how many kids.

  22. twist, leroy’s probably not anxious to come to texas because someone just might want to ask him those questions.

  23. I assume that photo was taken above YFZ?

    They’re even building walls against one another in their own little private Zion?

    Is that recent construction or from some time ago?

  24. wonder what the little round room is for?

  25. I think the FLDS has troll lawyers.

    Well, they do say things deliberately inflammatory just to cause problems.

    However, I prefer to think of them not as trolls but as prostitutes. They don’t do it just to stir things up. They do it for the money. However, I’d say that for the FLDS they’re not so much cheap street prostitutes, but more of the high dollar courtesans.

    The wealth transfer from the twin cities to the Utah bar in Salt Lake City is simply astounding.

  26. Anon: “I could go on and on about the lies in this document.
    But it will just start making my blood pressure boil even more than it already is after reading this POS document.”

    If it didn’t cause you stress – I’d love to have you “go on and on about the lies in this document”

  27. Greetings from New York said this on December 3, 2009 at 4:56 PM

    Amen to all that you said.

  28. I believe the H-shaped building at the top is Warren’s house. The structure at the bottom with the little round room was the original meeting house.

    Museo magazine did an interesting piece on YFZ in its Spring 2009 issue called “Zion on the Prairie”:
    http://www.museomagazine.com/11/zion-on-the-prairie/

    There is a map with clickable structure labels that link to photos here: http://www.museomagazine.com/11/zion-on-the-prairie/map.php

    Although I found the picture I linked on the author’s website:
    http://www.adammarcus.com/?p=105

    I find it interesting because it certainly belies the FLDS leadership’s crap about the UEP Trust existing for the just wants & needs of the FLDS.

  29. What a twist of logic! Wisan was not supposed to incur debt, but because there is no cash in the trust, his own PAY is a debt and therefor he has mismanaged it. Right. He can’t sell anything without the FLDS blocking him, so he can’t get cash that way. If he did nothing, then he would not incur debt but he would also be mismanaging it. So basically they are saying that just because he is the special ficuciary, he is mismanaging.

    What a crock. I would assume that that section would get laughed out of any court.

  30. Thanks for the links, ellie. Very nice article — well researched.

  31. Very interesting. I’ve studied history of many Islamic settlements in the middle ages and the layout is very similar. The gate with commerce and homes for single males, then the work areas, then the homes of common people, then, the furthest from all outside contact comes the homes of the rulers with their large harems.

  32. Interesting thing about that map – cluster all the worker bees into trailers at the front of the compound and all the homes (primarily) women) at the farthest inside

  33. Oh, but HHG, the women are free to walk out any time, dontcha know? Right past the workers and the warehouses and the grain silos and the guard tower. No one would stop them. /sarcasm

  34. “Zion on the Prairie” is the most interesting thing I’ve read in forever. The author is a prize-winning architect who teaches at Barnard and Columbia.

    I have been fascinated all along by the YFZ temple design, since it was built to Jeffs’ dream-specs. The idea that a delusional middle-aged man with no construction experience dictated its engineering (right down to the mortar mix) gave me fits. I can easily imagine it collapsing and killing hundreds of people.

    But I completely overlooked the incongruity of having massive log cabins in a landscape without trees. And I didn’t realize the windows were reflective silver; is that paranoia or just bad design?

    Reading the essay made me realize that the compound is actually a three-dimensional model of his psychopathology.

  35. I always figured the log cabin design had more to do with shipping timber from the FLDS businesses in Bountiful, BC, rather than aesthetics.

  36. “It also later emerged that the original distress call was a hoax, perpetrated by a disillusioned former FLDS woman in Utah hoping to provoke exactly the kind of reaction that the phone call set in motion”.

    Someone should let Mr. Marcus know he was way off base here. This is exactly the kind of stuff that should immediately be confronted, before other media starts repeating inaccuracies.

  37. Exactly, they have been getting all the logs from Winston Blackmore in Canada, having them shipped in to YFZ ranch. Just as they dismantled building in short creek in less than a day, these houses could also be dismantled quickly if need be.

  38. Betty,
    “Very interesting. I’ve studied history of many Islamic settlements in the middle ages and the layout is very similar”.

    We know Joseph Smith studied Islam along with other world religions. Or maybe the stolen manuscript just said he did.

  39. I don’t think Winston Blackmore would be shipping logs to Warren Jeffs, as Warren excommunicated Winston in 2002, before the land for YFZ was purchased.

    If logs for the buildings did come from British Columbia, it would be from the FLDS leader there, Jim Oler.

  40. Winnie had an alleged net worth of 6 million a few years ago, now all that is sunk and I think the Canadian IRS has him pegged for 2 mil in back taxes.

  41. Ellie, remember Leroy Jeffs is on the Bountiful School Board.
    And Jim Oler have a log company, but its nothing like Winston Blackmore’s. Blackmore may not see eye to eye with Warren Jeffs, but trust me, they would buy logs from Winston’s company.

  42. Stamp, He still has the money,, and so far there is NO case by Canada to prosecute Winston for anything.

  43. Also, Winnie’s group may be separate from Flds in the states, but by reading Winnie’s blog site, he take the side of FLDS.

  44. Good catch on the call, Boots, and the author should be informed that the statement is not based in fact.

    HHG,

    Cloistering the womenfolk away from the drones still didn’t prevent one of Merril’s younger sons from having sexual thoughts about some of the females, including some of Warren’s wives and daughters (how surreal is it that we even know this stuff…) according to the dictations.

    The guy was “handled” for a brief time by being exiled from YFZ.

    Then he was given a wife who was followed shortly by her younger sister and some drama (in Warren’s mind) and delay in getting one of them to YFZ.

  45. Also, Winnie’s group may be separate from Flds in the states, but by reading Winnie’s blog site, he take the side of FLDS.
    ———–
    I agree with some of the things Winston wrote on his blog. For instance, his response to Raymond Jessop’s trial:

    “I feel sad for the girl that was married to his brother and then taken from the brother and put with Raymond in time for her to have such a hard time having a baby. I feel sad that Warren took time to write about the event in his dictations and did not take the time to get her some medical help. I feel sad that Allen was dismissed from Texas but this time I was happy to read that his dictated crime was for questioning the age of a daughter wanted as a comfort wife. Allen deserved better than that for defending his family.”
    http://sharethelight.ca/b2/?m=200911

    However, he IS a polygamist. And, in true polygamist fashion, he also seems to like ’em young, making his condemnation of Raymond’s and Warren’s actions a bit hypocritical to say the least. Four of Winston Blackmore’s 25 “wives” were only 15 when they were bound to Blackmore. Another two were 16. Three were 17.

  46. By the way, Section 153 of the Criminal Code of Canada prohibits the sexual touching of a person under 18 by a person in three circumstances: (1) if he or she is in a “position of trust or authority” towards the youth, (2) if the youth is in a “relationship of dependency” with him or her, or (3) if the relationship is “exploitative”.

    This is a crime, even if the individual who is under 18 consents to it. A position of authority could be a minister, coach, employer, teacher, etc.

  47. What the heck distinguishes a “comfort” wife from any other kind of wife? It sounds an awful lot like concubine to me.

  48. I see Winston made the same conclusion I did about why (or part of why) Allen W. Steed was kicked out in 2004.

    Allen W. Steed’s then 13-year-old daughter was supposed to marry Edson Porter Jessop, Jr. on 7-22-2004, but Warren changed his mind. The reason he cited was that she was the “least developed” of the four girls to be married that day and that she needed to spend some time with her father.

    The other three girls were 14 and all three were married that day. One to Warren Jeffs, one to Leroy Johnson Steed (the victim in his sexual assault charge) and one to LeRoy Jeffs who was reassigned to Allen Keate and is the victim in his sexual assault charge.

    Have to wonder if Allen W. Steed was kicked out because he had a problem with his 13-year-old being married. Winston Blackmore seems to think so (as do I) and he may know more of the story than what was in the dictation.

  49. Betty,

    One is heavenly, the other maybe not so?

  50. How is Shane Stubbs anti-FLDS? What has he done to them?

  51. Cement, whats the differnce between a wife, and a “heavenly comfort wife?”

  52. I seem to recall reading that there was significance to the number of wives. That three was a minimum and seven was very special. So, I’m going to give a wild eyed guess that a comfort wife is any wife after the 7th since she exists for “comfort” rather than for spiritual advancement.

  53. Shane Stubbs leased a portion of Berry Knoll from Bruce Wisan and tried to grow winter wheat (which an FLDS member plowed under).
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/0,5143,705288737,00.html?pg=1

    He also tried to help his brother obtain a burial plot in Colorado City’s community cemetery, so that his brother’s infant son could be buried in the family plot.
    http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy1118.html

    There may be something else we don’t know about. While the FLDS didn’t seem pleased with either of these actions, the actions don’t seem significant enough (to me, anyway) to earn the label anti-FLDS.

  54. You’re either with them or against them.

  55. I always figured the log cabin design had more to do with shipping timber from the FLDS businesses in Bountiful, BC, rather than aesthetics.

    texasconnie said this on December 4, 2009 at 12:05 PM

    TC you are absolutely right. Those log cabin homes WERE built by the Bountiful group and trucked down to Eldorado. I know this for sure.

  56. Also, Winnie’s group may be separate from Flds in the states, but by reading Winnie’s blog site, he take the side of FLDS.

    deputydog1 said this on December 4, 2009 at 12:44 PM

    DD, Winston’s beef is with Warren. Not the FLDS. Warren’s rise to power changed (and ruined) everything.

    Before the Jeffs came into power, most of the folks in Short Creek and Bountiful were happy.

    Things REALLY changed with Warren. Many members were kicked to the curb.

    The Bountiful community is very small and isolated. They’re all still family.

  57. I always figured the log cabin design had more to do with shipping timber from the FLDS businesses in Bountiful, BC, rather than aesthetics.

    texasconnie said this on December 4, 2009 at 12:05 PM

    TC you are absolutely right. Those log cabin homes WERE built by the Bountiful group and trucked down to Eldorado. I know this for sure.

    Anonymous said this on December 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM
    Homes built by Brandon Blackmore and sons.
    I do believe he is the father of Canadian girl at the YFZ during the raid.
    http://www.sharethelight.ca/north%20star13.pdf
    Page 4

  58. “It also later emerged that the original distress call was a hoax, perpetrated by a disillusioned former FLDS woman in Utah hoping to provoke exactly the kind of reaction that the phone call set in motion”.

    Boots how do you know this isn’t a correct statement.

    Candi Shapley name and photos where found on Rozita’s computer.

  59. Anon – thanks for the info on the log cabin homes. Interesting to know they were actually built in Canada, disassembled and trucked to Texas. Appreciate the link.

  60. TT, aways back you asked if the photo from adammarcus.com were current. I know Pilot [who has been taking pictures of YFZ for AGES], has a very similar photo from 4/18/09 on the Texas Polygamy website.. http://web.sccn2.net/flds/images/YFZ-04-18-09-19.jpg . A few minor changes to the prop…bigger trees, etc… so my guess is it’s been there for some time. I’m trying to find it in some older photos of Pilot’s. He was a great visual source of what was going on behind the locked, guarded gates.

  61. In fact, here’s the whole lot. If memory serves, Pilot didn’t care if the pics were shared. FLDS ADMIN, if you think they shouldn’t be here,feel free to delete my post. I just thought it would be kinda interesting for all to see the building progress over time. http://web.sccn2.net/flds/

  62. “Candi Shapley name and photos where found on Rozita’s computer.”

    Source, please?

    Amd it would mean what?

    You’ll find her name in files on my computer, too, but it doesn’t mean anything other than I research contemporary FLDS history.

  63. Thanks, mc1199. I figured the structure from the article photo had been there for awhile.

    If it had been recent, it would be an indication of something shaking up within the FLDS.

  64. Shipping those logs from Canada would still cost a whole lot more than shipping the requisite amount of dimensional lumber for frame construction from Canada.

    If I remember correctly, log construction is very expensive compared to frame construction.

  65. Maybe the log thing goes along with some frontier fantasy like the denim work shirts and prairie dresses.

  66. The housing structures are another manifestation of Warren’s compulsion for uniformity like the lacking-in-distinction dresses worn by the worthy at YFZ.

    That and he probably got a pretty good deal on the houses from the B-Boys and obtaining them from within would suit his obsessive need for secrecy since at the time, the YFZ project was a hush-hush secret from the rank-and-file.

  67. I hadn’t thought about the log cabins in relation to the dress code, but that makes perfect sense. Log houses also give a tremendous sense of solidity, so perhaps they fitted his bunker mentality.

  68. Betty, in thinking about your comments about medieval Islamic settlements I was reminded that in both Byzantium and Syracuse the palaces were actually separated from the hoi-polloi by their own impregnable walls. In Byzantium the palace complex was initially in the center of the city (as Jeffs’ log hut is at YFZ), but eventually moved outside the city walls into an entirely separate walled subdivision. Syracuse’s palace compound was similarly set apart and when the city fell to Dion in 356 BC, the palace didn’t surrender. Before he was finally winkled out of his palace many months later, the outgoing tyrant burned Syracuse to the ground (with great loss of life).

    In the end there isn’t much love lost between a despot and his people. I think that if Jeffs’ career hadn’t been interrupted, he’d have ended up in a walled pod similar to those at Syracuse and Byzantium.

  69. #

    “Candi Shapley name and photos where found on Rozita’s computer.”

    Source, please?

    Amd it would mean what?

    You’ll find her name in files on my computer, too, but it doesn’t mean anything other than I research contemporary FLDS history.

    texastwist said this on December 4, 2009 at 10:16 PM

    http://www.myeldorado.net/i8l_w8yci_%200715h93knmxy28pd/E-Delivery%2006-04-09.html

  70. @ Anon 4:50 pm:
    I clicked the link, but I cannot get the page in focus.
    Please advise, and thanks for posting this.

  71. Homes built by Brandon Blackmore and sons.
    I do believe he is the father of Canadian girl at the YFZ during the raid.
    http://www.sharethelight.ca/north%20star13.pdf
    Page 4

    Anonymous said this on December 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM

    GEEZ, I can just imagine that phone call:

    Ring, Ring

    Hello?

    This is Warren. Heavenly Father has revealed to me that you are to send me 3 new log cabins and 1 new comfort wife (child bride). How soon can you get them to Zion?

  72. Thanks for the source and link, Anon.

    What is the significance of Candi Shapley’s name being on Swinton’s computer?

    And why the official interest out of Texas in her?

  73. catwhisperer,

    You won’t be able to read the Eldorado Success article unless you purchase the back issue.

    It’s a long article, but the gist of the reference to Candi Shapley’s name being on Swinton’s computer is that Shapley’s name was among those provided to the forensics team to look for on the computer and a photo of her was also provided to forensics for comparison.

    Her name was found on the computer in internet search files and also on a webpage bookmarked on the computer and there was a photo in a folder of digital photos which may be Shapley.

    Beats me as to why Shapley’s name is specifically mentioned in the article as one being on the forensics checklist and also on the computer.

  74. Shapely was possibly in the Colorado Spring area prior to Rozita’s abuse hotline spree.

  75. I obviously have some catch-up reading to do from June.

  76. Anonymous 5:20 AM –
    Is there any evidence that you can find to confirm that Shapley was in Colorado Springs area at that time ?

  77. Shipping those logs from Canada would still cost a whole lot more than shipping the requisite amount of dimensional lumber for frame construction from Canada.

    If I remember correctly, log construction is very expensive compared to frame construction
    …………………………..

    Not necessarily. For one thing, you’ve skipped the milling expense. I lived in a log house for awhile. They can come in kits and go together very quickly, just like Lincoln logs. And if the logs did come from Bountiful, then probably all or most of the labor to harvest, build and transport was free or very cheap – they just needed to pay for fuel to haul them down there.

  78. I wonder where they get the ‘gentile sealings?’ I can’t seem find them on google. Whatever they are, they caused Warren to have a meltdown. Texas ought to buy some.

  79. Candi Shapley was in Colorado Springs at the time of the calls

  80. But I completely overlooked the incongruity of having massive log cabins in a landscape without trees. And I didn’t realize the windows were reflective silver; is that paranoia or just bad design?
    ===================================================
    Those windows are designed to reflect heat in the summer time. New York doesn’t have the same problem that southern desert States have.

  81. I like the UEP’s response … I think this will get interesting

    https://texasflds.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/rejected-of-god/

  82. I think so too.

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