More Hysteria, Lack of Substance (Motion to Suppress)

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~ by FLDS TEXAS on April 15, 2009.

51 Responses to “More Hysteria, Lack of Substance (Motion to Suppress)”

  1. I figured the WELL paid Attorneys would try something like this. Problem is CPS had probable cause, and this motion is a bunch of gobbledy gook.

  2. i’m just wondering if each attorney billed the same amount to the clients for this document. there are a bunch of attorneys listed.

  3. Gerry Goldstein is a criminal attorney. Haven’t heard anything from him since he dropped out after hearing about the Federal Warrant. He is very high priced Attorney. Guess FLDS are giving every cent any of them make to pay for this guy!

  4. so are they saying that religious freedom gives them the right to sexually abuse children and lie about it?

  5. so we’ve got 9 attorneys who are probably billing at least $200 per hour and even if they didn’t write it themselves, they had to read it and given that some of it doesn’t make sense, it could take upwards of 2 or 3 hours to understand it and then of course you have to write correspondence oking it and or making suggestions and changes. i can see 10 hours easily per attorney so 10 hours x 9 attorneys x $200 = $18,000 for a single motion. that’s not counting each of them showing up in court in front of the judge.

    hey watching, you people in the crik better get to tithing larger amounts!!!

  6. First of all, where did all these interviews come from? The ones from Shelter people, doran , and Long. And the motions have some of their dates mixed up. And I know reading the transcriptions of the 14 day hearings, with Voss testiflying, She was scared the first night, because of so many men on the ranch, some wearing night vision glasses,, there were only 15 CPS workers, Doran and Long and one other the first night. I don’t remember VOSS mentioning being afraid of LE. And the other LE etc didn’t show up till the next day.

  7. It reads to me like, they are saying because of their religion, they were raided, which is bullshit.

  8. And on one of the evidence affidavits, it lists they had 16 different reciepts of lab work done at shannon hospitals on different Sarah’s.

  9. Those people are bizarre and must poop out $$ or rob banks or ??

    For certain there don’t seem to be rocket scientists or brain surgeons amonst ’em. Or manners or morals.

  10. Pedophilia is not a religion, it is a felony crime.

  11. i think that they think they are going to get off because they keep claiming that it is all being done because of their religion. using their logic, i can grow marijuana and smoke it and be ok if i claim i do it for religious reasons. that’s just plain bonkers.

  12. hey flds texas – you find any family sheets on warren or merril yet? charlie must have seen something to be able to say that warren has 53 wives.

  13. its interesting that the motion you can download here is signed by mark stephens and the motion that brooke adams posted is signed by a different. brooke’s motion is the one that’s file stamped.

  14. GrannyToad — you like that comment Darby made dont you. Pedophilia is not a religion. I loved that.

  15. Anon — there were motions like this filed in each of the defendant’s cases. This one is signed by Raymond Jessop’s attorney because it is the one filed in Raymond Jessop’s case. Brooke has one that is filed in another defendant’s case. They are exactly the same.

  16. hey flds texas – you find any family sheets on warren or merril yet? charlie must have seen something to be able to say that warren has 53 wives.
    Anonymous said this on April 16, 2009 at 3:13 AM (edit)
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    I had forgotten that I was tasked with obtaining those. I will see if they are available

  17. Somewhat off topic:
    The posts on Bill M’s blog are hysterical. Bill told street there was a conspirancy against street, but that street should take his med. There are several baptist bashing posts and when Lindas Lamb tried to defend the baptis she was shot down. As I recall the baptists were just responding to requests to help out.

    The same people who bash the baptists for responding and helping out also bash the LDS for decling a request to help out by monitoring flds prayers. The pro flds group are really getting shrill and hysterical. Fun to watch.

  18. thanks flds texas. i just wondered what the deal was.

    dd – where did you find the exhibits or was the 16 hospital visits just in the footnotes which i found hysterical btw. i know that they are just to help explain stuff, but it seems like a load of crap to me on some of them.

    on the family sheets flds texas – you will totally rock if you can find those!!!

  19. The footnotes – they’re longer than the motion itself because they’re all totall irrelevant to the motion to suppress. LOL.

    Walther’s going to have fun with this. I wish there were a live stream to the hearing May 13.

  20. i figure its going to be standing room only, especially if they hold it at the courthouse in Eldorado.

  21. Anonymous the evidence list taken from the ranch, on evidence list #2 it had 16 reciepts for lab tests from Shannon Medical center for various Sarahs

  22. Although I am opposed to underage marriage and adults having sex with minors, I am also opposed to LE and CPS targeting religious minorities. I wish the FLDS the best of luck for this hearing.

  23. thanks dd

  24. Anyone want to answer this?

    brian david mitchell is a self-proclaimed fundamentalist mormon prophet, warren steed jeffs is a self-proclaimed fundamentalist mormon prophet. brian david mitchell claims that God told him EXACTLY the same thing that warren steed jeffs claims that God told him. What brian david mitchell did with Elizabeth Smart is EXACTLY what the flds men have been doing for decades. If it is the flds religious “right” then why is it not brian david mitchell’s religious “right”?

  25. I went through part of the MTS item by item on my blog, until it became apparent that they didn’t have a good grasp on the law and were just arguing.

    The AG’s Office was right. The MTS is baseless.

  26. April
    As the Committee said this week in it’s hearing, directly to Willie Jessop, this is NOT about Religion, its about Protection of children from abuse. If religious institutions are breaking the laws in Texas where children are concerned, they are just as responsible for their actions as any joe blow off the street who abuses a child. Relgion doesn’t cover abuse!

  27. Thanks TxBluesMan. I was hoping you’d weigh in. I am glad the AG’s office made a public comment in response to this hodge podge motion. Do you agree that most of the contents of this motion are completely irrelevant to a challenge to the warrants? I think this motion is targeted at public opinion – people who don’t have an intricate knowledge of the law.

    Anyway, I was glad to see the AG’s office speak up and I wish they’d do more of that.

  28. The MTS shows the desperation on the part of the FLDS defense team. I do not know when I have seen a MTS that was so poorly written, with about half of it not even dealing with the evidence, but with material that should properly be in a motion to dismiss…

  29. I was confused about the Religious Restoration Act section — they seemed to be saying that protecting children from sexual abuse is not a compelling state interest, and that just blows my mind. And they were also arguing that they can’t practice their religion if everybody knows what they’re doing — that’s an interesting argument. Convenient too that secrecy and deception are fundamental tenets of their religious practice. I don’t think that will fly, and like you said it has nothing to do with suppressing the search warrant.

  30. if they can practice sexual abuse and call it religion, what’s to stop a person from smoking marijuana and calling that religion? you can call anything religion, but if it breaks the law then you have a problem.

  31. I had another thought – it could be that the client(s) are the idiots that insisted that something in the motion addressed the real harebrained stuff.

    After watching WeeWillie get hammered at the hearing, and the comments he made, it is apparent that they had a great deal of input. If so, the trials will be easy… because they really don’t have a grasp of the law.

  32. We know that Feckless Willie hasn’t, but what are they paying all those Texas lawyers for?

  33. willie seemed to like arguing with the legislature. the man just doesn’t know when to shut up.

  34. does willie not get that bigamy is illegal in the state of Texas? it doesn’t matter if a new bill is passed or not. bigamy is still going to be illegal.

  35. Gerry Goldstein is a criminal attorney. Haven’t heard anything from him since he dropped out after hearing about the Federal Warrant. He is very high priced Attorney. Guess FLDS are giving every cent any of them make to pay for this guy!

    deputydog1 said this on April 16, 2009 at 1:16 AM

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    A couple things here. Not thta Gerry is afraid of the Feds, its that it costs SO MUCH MORE to fight that.

    And maybe he was fired for complaining about not getting paid.

    or quit for not getting paid.

    See how easy it is for Warren to destruct what wssnt his in the first place? He thinks “IF I CANT HAVE IT NOBODY WILL!”

    So look where we are today, with 60 pages that dont help, even you gentiles can point holes in the arguemnents!

  36. Well I certainly do NOT believe Gerry Goldsteins office wrote this motion,,,
    It’s not written well, inconsistent with actual facts, and just repeats the same crap Picarreta was complaining about in Arizona.

  37. This motion is totally stupid. It is a bunch of gibberish, about as clear as mud, something about knowing who the caller was before they searched the place. It don’t matter, what they found is what is important. I heard they are insurrectionist terrorists anyway, so the bill of rights wouldn’t apply to these dirtbags anyway.

  38. Anon 4:03 —

    It does seem that Willie perhaps doesn’t know that bigamy is illegal.

  39. I had another thought – it could be that the client(s) are the idiots that insisted that something in the motion addressed the real harebrained stuff.
    After watching WeeWillie get hammered at the hearing, and the comments he made, it is apparent that they had a great deal of input. If so, the trials will be easy… because they really don’t have a grasp of the law.
    TxBluesMan said this on April 17, 2009 at 3:10 AM (edit)
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    I agree with this. The motion is shockingly similar to Willie’s comments and does not seem to be the work of lawyers. Wouldn’t surprise me if Willie is insisting on too much input, and you’re right, it will make the trials a walk in the park. But what well-respected attorney would put their name on that crap? They must really be receiving a heck of a fee.

  40. A childhood friend was in town and wanted to go out to the ranch, so we drove out there this evening. I can now officially say that it is 3.9 miles from where you turn off of Highway 277 onto CR 300/Rudd Road to the gate of the compound and that gate that Oprah posed in front of isn’t nearly as big as it looked in her photographs. I took a few pictures and when I get them uploaded onto photobucket, I’ll post a link. It looks like there is some building going on.

  41. Here is a link to the pictures.

    http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/proudtobeatexan/

  42. proudtexan, is the gate close enought so that potato cannons are within range of the plyg losers when they are scurrying about the ranch?
    It would also be funny to stick a packet of super glue under the handle so when a plygger lifts it, the packet breaks and his hand is superglued to the gate. That would be hilarious.

  43. Thanks proud 🙂

  44. Maybe we could pay the pilot dude to fly over and drop buckets of dog doodoo on the plyggers when they are out in the fields. LOL!!!

  45. I’m sorry, I just hate plyggers and plygger lovers like Bill, Sore toes, Modern pharisee, and Brooke Adams. They just as nasty as the plyggers themselves.

  46. dude, your neither funny or cute. Now dude (pliggy) take your crayons and go home.

  47. deputydog, pliggy has no crayons and no home, warren stole them from him, which is why pliggy is obsessed with coming here.

  48. You don’t suppose they would have forged attorneys’ names to those motions and filed them themselves?

  49. does anyone know if the hearing is going to be in San Angelo or in Eldorado? It’s already 90 degrees, so I can only imagine that courtroom in Eldorado in another month and with no air conditioning.

  50. It’s set to be in schleicher county but it wouldn’t surprise me if the parties and judge agree to hold the hearing in san angelo. The schleicher county courtroom is rather small – and it might be hot in may.

  51. Warren’s Motion to Dismiss/Suppress is filed here: http://www.mohavecourts.com/highprofile/743-MotionToDismiss%202009-04-20.pdf

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